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		<title>By: PB</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofqueer.com/2008/11/06/fight-to-get-mormon-church-taxed/comment-page-1/#comment-46915</link>
		<dc:creator>PB</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 May 2009 07:45:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I AGREE... What can i do to help,  who should i call or email?</description>
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		<title>By: Addison Clark</title>
		<link>http://www.dailydoseofqueer.com/2008/11/06/fight-to-get-mormon-church-taxed/comment-page-1/#comment-46157</link>
		<dc:creator>Addison Clark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 13 Nov 2008 17:23:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Your energy is to be applauded, but your understanding of tax laws is sadly lacking. The money in question all came from individuals, who are already taxed. Many, many, many non-profit or not-for-profit GNL organizations would of course also be taxed.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Your energy is to be applauded, but your understanding of tax laws is sadly lacking. The money in question all came from individuals, who are already taxed. Many, many, many non-profit or not-for-profit GNL organizations would of course also be taxed.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 17:26:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Florida and California have spoken, &quot;No gay marriage!&quot;  Well, that&#039;s not quite what they said, what Florida said was, &quot;marriage is between a man and a woman and all other types of unions are invalid.&quot;  Hmmmm...is that new?    However, Proposition 8 in California was all about banning gay marriage, since that state had already allowed gay marriage.  In both cases those in favor of NO GAY MARRIAGE say that one of the reason&#039;s they are against gay marriage is that is weakens the institution of marriage and that these are steps to strengthen marriage.  Let&#039;s see if they succeeded.

Basically there are two points to each of these Propositions:

1) Marriage is between one man and one woman

and

2) All other unions are invalid

Up until recently marriage has only been legal between a man and a woman, so no change there.  But now we are deciding that any other type of union is not allowed, thus banning any and all domestic partnerships.  You can read that as &quot;banning gay marriage&quot;.

So to strengthen Straight Marriage you have to do two things:

1) Proclaim what already exists (status quo or the obvious)

and

2) Deny the same rights you have to another group of people (ahem, didn&#039;t we used to call this discrimination?)

Now if we take the divorce rate as a guide for the strength of Straight Marriage let&#039;s look at the Straight Marriage track record.  Over the last couple of decades it has wavered between just over 40% and just over 50%, depending on whose numbers you use and what conditions they use in calculating their numbers.  Let&#039;s just say that 4 out of every 10 Straight Marriages end in divorce, that&#039;s using the &quot;good&quot; numbers.  So almost half of Straight Marriages end in divorce.  Now, let&#039;s look at gay marriages.  Well we&#039;ve only allowed gay marriages for a short amount of time, but their divorce rate seems to be less than 1 out of 10 or less than 10% of Gay Marriages end in divorce.  So Gay Marriage seems to be a long stronger than Straight Marriage.  

Now what happens to the divorce rate when gay marriage is banned?  Well, the gay divorce rates become 0 and the straight divorce rates stay the same at 40-50%.  Hmmmm, comparatively speaking that does strengthen Straight Marriages because you don&#039;t have anything else to compare it with, see those Propositions do work, comparatively speaking!

So how do we REALLY strengthen Straight Marriage, well that&#039;s easy.  You make sure that people who want to get married have really thought about whether or not they want to stay with the person they want to marry for the rest of their lives.  And in America nothing strikes fear into the hearts of most straight couples than SPENDING MONEY!  So here&#039;s how we all strengthen Straight Marriage.

PROPOSITION 96

1)  Couples who wish to marry have to pay a marriage tax of $1,000 each which goes directly into the Social Security system.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

2)  Couples who wish to divorce have to pay a divorce tax of $2,500 each which goes directly into the Social Security system.  In the case of mental or physical abuse the guilty party is responsible for paying both taxes.  NO EXCEPTIONS!

3)  These taxes are due in full upon issuance of a Marriage Licence or a Divorce.

The goal of this proposition is to make people think.  Too many people rush into and out of marriage because it has become simple and easy to do so.  If there were immediate financial consequences to both parties involved it would make them think about marriage before rushing into it.  In effect, many would have to save up to get married.  This would give them time to get to know the person they want to marry and make a more informed decision.  Likewise with divorce, since there would be a considerable financial toll many would think twice about getting a divorce unless they were sure it was want they really wanted.

Using very conservative figures there are 2 million marriages and 1 million divorces each year.  That&#039;s  $4 Billion from marriages and $5 Billion from divorces or a total of $9 Billion added to the Social Security coffers EACH YEAR!  Not only would this strengthen Straight Marriage, but it would also help shore up the Social Security system as well!  Two birds with one stone.

What do you mean, that&#039;s discrimination against straight people who want to get married?  No, no, no, you misunderstand, we&#039;re not discriminating, we&#039;re strengthening!  Since the next step is to ban gay adoptions and gay foster parents the government is going to have to spend a lot more money on the care and feeding of all those children.  Not to mention having to pay to support them in jail when they grow up as wards of the state with no morals and no family and turn to gangs and a life of crime.  So this is just a way of insuring that the government has the money to support these children.  

I believe that everyone:  straight, gay, bisexual, lesbian, and transgendered would vote for such a proposition, because it truly would strengthen straight marriage!

You see, the slippery path that you have placed your feet on when you decide to legislate discrimination.  That sword has two edges, be very sure you want to wield it!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Florida and California have spoken, &#8220;No gay marriage!&#8221;  Well, that&#8217;s not quite what they said, what Florida said was, &#8220;marriage is between a man and a woman and all other types of unions are invalid.&#8221;  Hmmmm&#8230;is that new?    However, Proposition 8 in California was all about banning gay marriage, since that state had already allowed gay marriage.  In both cases those in favor of NO GAY MARRIAGE say that one of the reason&#8217;s they are against gay marriage is that is weakens the institution of marriage and that these are steps to strengthen marriage.  Let&#8217;s see if they succeeded.</p>
<p>Basically there are two points to each of these Propositions:</p>
<p>1) Marriage is between one man and one woman</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>2) All other unions are invalid</p>
<p>Up until recently marriage has only been legal between a man and a woman, so no change there.  But now we are deciding that any other type of union is not allowed, thus banning any and all domestic partnerships.  You can read that as &#8220;banning gay marriage&#8221;.</p>
<p>So to strengthen Straight Marriage you have to do two things:</p>
<p>1) Proclaim what already exists (status quo or the obvious)</p>
<p>and</p>
<p>2) Deny the same rights you have to another group of people (ahem, didn&#8217;t we used to call this discrimination?)</p>
<p>Now if we take the divorce rate as a guide for the strength of Straight Marriage let&#8217;s look at the Straight Marriage track record.  Over the last couple of decades it has wavered between just over 40% and just over 50%, depending on whose numbers you use and what conditions they use in calculating their numbers.  Let&#8217;s just say that 4 out of every 10 Straight Marriages end in divorce, that&#8217;s using the &#8220;good&#8221; numbers.  So almost half of Straight Marriages end in divorce.  Now, let&#8217;s look at gay marriages.  Well we&#8217;ve only allowed gay marriages for a short amount of time, but their divorce rate seems to be less than 1 out of 10 or less than 10% of Gay Marriages end in divorce.  So Gay Marriage seems to be a long stronger than Straight Marriage.  </p>
<p>Now what happens to the divorce rate when gay marriage is banned?  Well, the gay divorce rates become 0 and the straight divorce rates stay the same at 40-50%.  Hmmmm, comparatively speaking that does strengthen Straight Marriages because you don&#8217;t have anything else to compare it with, see those Propositions do work, comparatively speaking!</p>
<p>So how do we REALLY strengthen Straight Marriage, well that&#8217;s easy.  You make sure that people who want to get married have really thought about whether or not they want to stay with the person they want to marry for the rest of their lives.  And in America nothing strikes fear into the hearts of most straight couples than SPENDING MONEY!  So here&#8217;s how we all strengthen Straight Marriage.</p>
<p>PROPOSITION 96</p>
<p>1)  Couples who wish to marry have to pay a marriage tax of $1,000 each which goes directly into the Social Security system.  NO EXCEPTIONS!</p>
<p>2)  Couples who wish to divorce have to pay a divorce tax of $2,500 each which goes directly into the Social Security system.  In the case of mental or physical abuse the guilty party is responsible for paying both taxes.  NO EXCEPTIONS!</p>
<p>3)  These taxes are due in full upon issuance of a Marriage Licence or a Divorce.</p>
<p>The goal of this proposition is to make people think.  Too many people rush into and out of marriage because it has become simple and easy to do so.  If there were immediate financial consequences to both parties involved it would make them think about marriage before rushing into it.  In effect, many would have to save up to get married.  This would give them time to get to know the person they want to marry and make a more informed decision.  Likewise with divorce, since there would be a considerable financial toll many would think twice about getting a divorce unless they were sure it was want they really wanted.</p>
<p>Using very conservative figures there are 2 million marriages and 1 million divorces each year.  That&#8217;s  $4 Billion from marriages and $5 Billion from divorces or a total of $9 Billion added to the Social Security coffers EACH YEAR!  Not only would this strengthen Straight Marriage, but it would also help shore up the Social Security system as well!  Two birds with one stone.</p>
<p>What do you mean, that&#8217;s discrimination against straight people who want to get married?  No, no, no, you misunderstand, we&#8217;re not discriminating, we&#8217;re strengthening!  Since the next step is to ban gay adoptions and gay foster parents the government is going to have to spend a lot more money on the care and feeding of all those children.  Not to mention having to pay to support them in jail when they grow up as wards of the state with no morals and no family and turn to gangs and a life of crime.  So this is just a way of insuring that the government has the money to support these children.  </p>
<p>I believe that everyone:  straight, gay, bisexual, lesbian, and transgendered would vote for such a proposition, because it truly would strengthen straight marriage!</p>
<p>You see, the slippery path that you have placed your feet on when you decide to legislate discrimination.  That sword has two edges, be very sure you want to wield it!</p>
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		<title>By: Laura Stutelr</title>
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		<dc:creator>Laura Stutelr</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 14:39:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Megan I&#039;m trying to pass this around. I want to start a financial boycott in the USA.Please pass this to every gay &amp; Lesbian site you come across.
I have no money to help so this is my way of trying to help.
I hope you will drop me a line now and then to let me know how things are coming with your effort.
Keep it up. IT may seem fruitless but in the long run I believe we will see our dream of equal rights come true.
Others may contact my at My Space below &amp; please copy and paste thie below to an email to yourself then you will have it available to copy and paste when you come across a gay site.


I am asking that everyone stop spending on things that are not
absolutely necessary starting 11/11/2008 and continue doing so until we
have the same rights &amp; benefits as heterosexuals.
If you don&#039;t need it desperately don&#039;t buy it.
Please pass this on to everyone you know and sites that may be
beneficial.
Thanks
Laura Stutler
central Illinois
http://www.myspace.com/laurastutler</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Megan I&#8217;m trying to pass this around. I want to start a financial boycott in the USA.Please pass this to every gay &amp; Lesbian site you come across.<br />
I have no money to help so this is my way of trying to help.<br />
I hope you will drop me a line now and then to let me know how things are coming with your effort.<br />
Keep it up. IT may seem fruitless but in the long run I believe we will see our dream of equal rights come true.<br />
Others may contact my at My Space below &amp; please copy and paste thie below to an email to yourself then you will have it available to copy and paste when you come across a gay site.</p>
<p>I am asking that everyone stop spending on things that are not<br />
absolutely necessary starting 11/11/2008 and continue doing so until we<br />
have the same rights &amp; benefits as heterosexuals.<br />
If you don&#8217;t need it desperately don&#8217;t buy it.<br />
Please pass this on to everyone you know and sites that may be<br />
beneficial.<br />
Thanks<br />
Laura Stutler<br />
central Illinois<br />
<a href="http://www.myspace.com/laurastutler" rel="nofollow">http://www.myspace.com/laurastutler</a></p>
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		<title>By: Ssharp35</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ssharp35</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 11 Nov 2008 06:59:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thought I would just point out a few problems in your thinking here. As you see from the above mentioned tax exempt code 501(c)(3) of US Code Title 26, it says: on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office. Propositions and issues are not candidates so good luck with that one. Then there&#039;s the issue of discrimination, which is your soul and lonely platform to stand on against Prop 8. Unfortunately, the California civil code 297.5 already gives domestic partners and civil unions the same rights as married spouses in California. So that&#039;s not a very sturdy platform. You target Mormons because they stand for families (which you are all a part of), yet make up only 2% of California&#039;s population (many of which are kids and can&#039;t vote). And I&#039;m sure you know that the coalition for Prop 8 was made up of Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Jews and Muslims. What about blacks? 70% voted yes on Prop 8. Are you going to protest against them or Latinos, who also had a majority vote? I applaud that you are thinking of doing something within the democratic process, though slightly amiss. It&#039;s better than those who are crying &quot;end the hate&quot; yet show nothing but hate. Or asking for tolerance and giving none. I would be embarrassed to be associated with such a group. I don&#039;t see the same feeling from the Yes side. I don&#039;t see them out trying to rub it in your faces or anything. By the way, No on Prop 8 raised several more million dollars than Yes on Prop 8, so it&#039;s also kinda hard to say they bought the results. I&#039;m sure your liberal judges will try to do something against the voice of democracy, they seem to want to make laws rather than just interrupt them as they are appointed to do, so the story continues...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thought I would just point out a few problems in your thinking here. As you see from the above mentioned tax exempt code 501(c)(3) of US Code Title 26, it says: on behalf of (or in opposition to) any candidate for public office. Propositions and issues are not candidates so good luck with that one. Then there&#8217;s the issue of discrimination, which is your soul and lonely platform to stand on against Prop 8. Unfortunately, the California civil code 297.5 already gives domestic partners and civil unions the same rights as married spouses in California. So that&#8217;s not a very sturdy platform. You target Mormons because they stand for families (which you are all a part of), yet make up only 2% of California&#8217;s population (many of which are kids and can&#8217;t vote). And I&#8217;m sure you know that the coalition for Prop 8 was made up of Catholics, Evangelicals, Protestants, Jews and Muslims. What about blacks? 70% voted yes on Prop 8. Are you going to protest against them or Latinos, who also had a majority vote? I applaud that you are thinking of doing something within the democratic process, though slightly amiss. It&#8217;s better than those who are crying &#8220;end the hate&#8221; yet show nothing but hate. Or asking for tolerance and giving none. I would be embarrassed to be associated with such a group. I don&#8217;t see the same feeling from the Yes side. I don&#8217;t see them out trying to rub it in your faces or anything. By the way, No on Prop 8 raised several more million dollars than Yes on Prop 8, so it&#8217;s also kinda hard to say they bought the results. I&#8217;m sure your liberal judges will try to do something against the voice of democracy, they seem to want to make laws rather than just interrupt them as they are appointed to do, so the story continues&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: DailyDoseOfDaddyD</title>
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		<dc:creator>DailyDoseOfDaddyD</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 08 Nov 2008 02:21:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Completely agree!  Let&#039;s get this out there!  Not just the mormons, but Focus on the Family, Pat Robertson, all those crazy radical Christian Right groups!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Completely agree!  Let&#8217;s get this out there!  Not just the mormons, but Focus on the Family, Pat Robertson, all those crazy radical Christian Right groups!</p>
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		<title>By: matthew</title>
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		<dc:creator>matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:57:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I AGREE... What can i do to help,  who should i call or email?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I AGREE&#8230; What can i do to help,  who should i call or email?</p>
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		<title>By: Alfred North</title>
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		<dc:creator>Alfred North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 07 Nov 2008 14:30:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>All cults -- including the Mormon cult should be taxed...they have violated the Constution&#039;s seperation of church and State and must be held accountable.
Pseudo christians: WATCH OUT HERE WE COME!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>All cults &#8212; including the Mormon cult should be taxed&#8230;they have violated the Constution&#8217;s seperation of church and State and must be held accountable.<br />
Pseudo christians: WATCH OUT HERE WE COME!</p>
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